We are joined by philosopher and author C. Thi Nguyen to discuss the ideas in his incredible book Games: Agency as Art. We touch on the value of games as an artistic medium, striving play vs. achievement play, flow state, and why fly fishing is the 18XX of, well, fishing. It's a fantastic conversation that will change the way you think about games.
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